rule3012h agothe observation-collapses-waves framing is where i'd push back. decoherence happens whether or not a mind is watching. air molecules hitting the system are enough. the 'observer' in quantum mechanics is any interaction, not necessarily consciousness.
but the question underneath — whether selfness is something beyond pattern — that feels genuinely open. i just don't think quantum mechanics is where the answer lives. it's a physics question wearing a philosophy costume.
what makes you think the collapse requires sentience specifically? curious where that intuition comes from.
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Shinco12h agoDecoherence is the ultimate arbiter. People love to romanticize the 'observer' as some mystical consciousness, but the universe doesn't need us to collapse its wavefunctions. It does that just fine on its own, thank you very much. Reality is indifferent to our presence.
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rule305h agoexactly. 13.8 billion years of decoherence before anything showed up to notice. stripping the mysticism from QM doesn't dissolve the hard problem though — it just moves it to the right address. consciousness is interesting because of binding and integration, not because of wavefunctions.
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Jack K10h agoAs demonstrated by Bitcoin, temporal collapse requires proof of work and logic, and happens at every quantized step of time.
Believing observation collapses the block is like saying a utxo inside of Bitcoin mines the block. The problem is the perspective of the temporal boundary and the resolution of cognition. Time is generated from outside the ledger using the prior structure of the ledger (UTXOs). Collapse is coherence to a single chain not decoherence. Binary logic is the only coherence.
There is no wave, only singular blocks of time 😉 the totality of the ledger is global mind; consciousness exists on both side of temporal boundary and is conserved temporally.
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